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Query based on a recent conversation:
Is there really a particular drug that effectively shits down the right brain but leaves the left brain fully functional?
Is there really a particular drug that effectively shits down the right brain but leaves the left brain fully functional?
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Re: Mind-altering drugs
Wed, September 17, 2008 - 2:33 PMNot that I know of. And the left brain/right brain thing is mostly metaphor. The brain isn't divided up quite that easily. If you mean, is there a drug that makes you entirely rational... then there are a few candidates. Ritalin being one. -
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Re: Mind-altering drugs
Mon, September 22, 2008 - 4:48 AMTypos and mis-speak. My apologies. I meant to ask about shutting down the right (rational) brain. The query came out of a conversation about the lady doc who had a stroke. What was her name? Jill Bolte Taylor - that's it. She spoke of the incredible insight she had from having a stroke. Here's the video:
www.ted.com/index.php/ta..._insight.html
So someone then asked me if there was a drug that would shut down the rational part of your brain. Jokingly I said "Jack Daniels", but that isn't good for any more than a laugh. I realized I didn't have a solid answer to the question.
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Re: Mind-altering drugs
Mon, September 22, 2008 - 8:58 AMI don't think a person with their rational thinking completely shut down would be functional anyway. -
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Re: Mind-altering drugs
Mon, September 22, 2008 - 11:20 AMNo, but it can be educational for short periods of time.... and if we use ketamine as a model, it may have lasting positive effects in terms of mood and brain activity:
www.sciencedaily.com/release...1257.htm
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Re: Mind-altering drugs
Tue, September 23, 2008 - 12:21 AMObjective? You mean without the influence of images...then you need a drug that stops thought. Because it there is thought then there is subjectivity. Wow a drug that stops all thought! Now that would change the world. -
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Re: Mind-altering drugs
Wed, September 24, 2008 - 8:17 AM
> "Wow a drug that stops all thought! Now that would change the world"
religion
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Re: Mind-altering drugs
Wed, September 24, 2008 - 2:50 PM> "Wow a drug that stops all thought! Now that would change the world"
television
love all-ways,
mem
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Re: Mind-altering drugs
Wed, September 24, 2008 - 5:02 PM"Wow a drug that stops all thought! Now that would change the world"
forget it...i give up...I said "without images"...those things you both have mentioned propagate images...I actually mean nothing going on upstairs but being. To stop the ability to project images.
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Re: Mind-altering drugs
Thu, September 25, 2008 - 8:19 AMThere are several pharmaceuticals that can suspend activity in various centers of the brain however, they don't have a temporary effect. One of the benefits of the construction of the brain is that it is very flexible in rewiring, in some rare cases, damage that occurs in various areas. However, the brain is also very fragile and radical changes in chemistry will cause neuron/axon degradation.
During the 50's and 60's, various organizations experimented with brain center suspension in laboratory animals, with the result of permanent damage to the animals. See JAMA articles on brain plasticity and pharmaceuticals.
:D
Mike
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Re: Mind-altering drugs
Thu, October 2, 2008 - 8:58 AM
we weren't serious... right?
and we weren't making fun of you...
not personal... ok?
but when you say stops all thought...
do you mean like lobotomy - stops all thought?
personally leery of any drug that would do that...
I have achieved certain meditative states that i would describe as no image making processes - pure experience, "a timeless silence"... etc.
but not sure that that could be achieved by altering the brain chemistry first... to me it is the wrong order.
my brain chemistry is altered by my mind.
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Re: Mind-altering drugs
Wed, October 15, 2008 - 9:27 PMI guess if a drug were capable of erasing memory...than you would not remember the experience...have they found that certain aspects of memory can be blocked....for instance...long term memory intact ...but short term memory shut down? Is that possible? -
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Re: Mind-altering drugs
Thu, October 16, 2008 - 10:59 AM> long term memory intact ...but short term memory shut down
The opposite is what amnesia is about, isn't it?
And short term memory could be affected, I guess, by shutting down the hippocampus. I'm not sure if that's what you mean though... The person would not be able to learn new things. -
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Re: Mind-altering drugs
Wed, April 22, 2009 - 5:27 PMShutting down Kappa receptors (Salvia) can give the appearance of being onesided' you get to keep your logic until you dissolve into ego death and lose the gravity suit' you still see untold symbols and visions though :)))
A void experience on spice stops all light and thought in the "WOW!" moment of "Uh! am I dead! but it is so quick as to be no be remembered cos you pass out'
IM Ketamine can chuck youin the hole for about an hour' lots of light and symbols' self realisation stuff' still got thoughts an symbols though' unless you pass out!
Seeing as this realm is made of pictures and imagination is everything' I think I shall keep both hemispheres communicating'
Ayahuasca activates more of yout artistic/imaginations side' the same as weed'
Scapolamine shuts down certain receptors in the brain lowering logic train of thought' but you still got untold symbols'
A reasonable dose of Hioscamine would do it for a little while' bu a dose likethat would no doubt damage brain receptors'
So I go with high dose Salvia and spice followed by Ayahuasca and mushrooms' if you can still think logicaly after that lot' then you are a better man than me :))) Power to you ! !
Blessings
Nobuoni +
A little experiment for you'
Drink Ayahuasca or mushrooms and watch the lady spin both ways and almost stand still as she changes direction'
(Left brain' right brain test)
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